I believe he's referring to two separate batches in the Wilmington house. One in the "locked garage" and another in a room in the house that no one will reveal. DOCTOR Mama Jill's upholstery closet maybe?
People with EdDs are way more insistent on being called "Dr" than any other people with doctorates. I was sub-teaching once (long story) when a "colleague" (I was only there for a couple of weeks, covering some HS class) who introduced himself as "Dr. So-and-so" and I gave my name everyone uses (not Bob, but common enough) and he said, "Well, Bob, what is your degree in?" I said, "Poli Sci and Statistics." He said, "BA in each?" I said, "No, PhD." He liked to died.
Hey, you can take the boy off the farm, but you can't take the farm out of the boy.
Agree 100%. I'm reasonably sure "good teaching" can no more be taught than "leadership" no matter what "professionals in those areas think.
I do think attentive may be able to 'learn' to be better teachers or managers (not leaders), but it's the individual doing the learning, not the system or the professor teaching doing it.
Being ancient, I was one of the last Catholic school classes that was taught almost exclusively by nuns. I am pretty sure that none of them went to college (in some cases, I think colleges weren't invented yet when they were younger). But oddly enough, all of us kids in a blue-collar neighborhood learned enough that we could read and understand a newspaper, write a coherent sentence, and do basic math.
I've had maybe 6-8 "teaching nuns" go through my State and Local Government class in about 20 years. Most were somewhat older than the average student. Every single one was top notch. (Sacred Heart, if I remember. They were still wearing the habit in 2018 for sure.)
The beautiful young lady who went to Senior Prom with me went into the convent as I left for the military. I was not a Catholic, we just knew and liked each other and were both 'unattached' at the time.
She became a teacher and eventually a Principal in Catholic grade schools. We met again at our 25th class reunion. I asked her what I should call her, and she replied, "I think the last non-relative male who kissed me is entitled to call me by my birth name." Kind of sweet.
I understand she was a helluva teacher and admin. I never doubted it a bit.
My first grade nun was maybe in her 20s; after that each and everyone was 50+. So maybe the Archdiocese of Chicago puts the young ones in first grade, then transfers them out to be wizened in a convent or something.
I cannot imagine a nun having a life as a teen. (Hell, as John Powers wrote in "The Last Catholic in America," you never even saw them go into a bathroom.)
I've known maybe 2 EdDs who don't absolutely INSIST on being called Dr. And having attended and taught at 2 of the universities with the biggest Colleges of Education, I've met/known a lot of EdDs.
Holy crap, never thought about it, but you are absolutely right.
(Though to be kind of fair, it might be because a PhD gets paid more in the "credentials trumps competence" salary structure of schools, so people who'd otherwise be low-key feel that they have to broadcast it.)
You have no idea how well quite a few public teachers are paid versus the pay at non-elite colleges/universities. At least it seems like that. At the school district I lived in when I still lived in MI, entry level teachers with a BA/BS (way more with the BA) started at $42K+. If they taught there for 20 years and got an EdD on the way, they got over $100K. Plus an incredibly generous benefits package and the ability to retire on a full pension as age 55 if they had 25 years in. [This was later modified to 403b, but that money was not theirs but taxpayers, at around 10% of their salaries.]
Two HS teachers with EdD easily would 'make' $250K/year plus benefits of at least 35% of that more in benefits.
My Full Professor colleagues made about the same, but the benefits ran around 20-25%.
I believe he's referring to two separate batches in the Wilmington house. One in the "locked garage" and another in a room in the house that no one will reveal. DOCTOR Mama Jill's upholstery closet maybe?
People with EdDs are way more insistent on being called "Dr" than any other people with doctorates. I was sub-teaching once (long story) when a "colleague" (I was only there for a couple of weeks, covering some HS class) who introduced himself as "Dr. So-and-so" and I gave my name everyone uses (not Bob, but common enough) and he said, "Well, Bob, what is your degree in?" I said, "Poli Sci and Statistics." He said, "BA in each?" I said, "No, PhD." He liked to died.
Hey, you can take the boy off the farm, but you can't take the farm out of the boy.
Agree 100%. I'm reasonably sure "good teaching" can no more be taught than "leadership" no matter what "professionals in those areas think.
I do think attentive may be able to 'learn' to be better teachers or managers (not leaders), but it's the individual doing the learning, not the system or the professor teaching doing it.
Being ancient, I was one of the last Catholic school classes that was taught almost exclusively by nuns. I am pretty sure that none of them went to college (in some cases, I think colleges weren't invented yet when they were younger). But oddly enough, all of us kids in a blue-collar neighborhood learned enough that we could read and understand a newspaper, write a coherent sentence, and do basic math.
I've had maybe 6-8 "teaching nuns" go through my State and Local Government class in about 20 years. Most were somewhat older than the average student. Every single one was top notch. (Sacred Heart, if I remember. They were still wearing the habit in 2018 for sure.)
The beautiful young lady who went to Senior Prom with me went into the convent as I left for the military. I was not a Catholic, we just knew and liked each other and were both 'unattached' at the time.
She became a teacher and eventually a Principal in Catholic grade schools. We met again at our 25th class reunion. I asked her what I should call her, and she replied, "I think the last non-relative male who kissed me is entitled to call me by my birth name." Kind of sweet.
I understand she was a helluva teacher and admin. I never doubted it a bit.
My first grade nun was maybe in her 20s; after that each and everyone was 50+. So maybe the Archdiocese of Chicago puts the young ones in first grade, then transfers them out to be wizened in a convent or something.
I cannot imagine a nun having a life as a teen. (Hell, as John Powers wrote in "The Last Catholic in America," you never even saw them go into a bathroom.)
A buddy of mine's wife has an EdD. He literally refers to her as Dr. _____. Absolute cringe.
I've known maybe 2 EdDs who don't absolutely INSIST on being called Dr. And having attended and taught at 2 of the universities with the biggest Colleges of Education, I've met/known a lot of EdDs.
Holy crap, never thought about it, but you are absolutely right.
(Though to be kind of fair, it might be because a PhD gets paid more in the "credentials trumps competence" salary structure of schools, so people who'd otherwise be low-key feel that they have to broadcast it.)
You have no idea how well quite a few public teachers are paid versus the pay at non-elite colleges/universities. At least it seems like that. At the school district I lived in when I still lived in MI, entry level teachers with a BA/BS (way more with the BA) started at $42K+. If they taught there for 20 years and got an EdD on the way, they got over $100K. Plus an incredibly generous benefits package and the ability to retire on a full pension as age 55 if they had 25 years in. [This was later modified to 403b, but that money was not theirs but taxpayers, at around 10% of their salaries.]
Two HS teachers with EdD easily would 'make' $250K/year plus benefits of at least 35% of that more in benefits.
My Full Professor colleagues made about the same, but the benefits ran around 20-25%.
Chicago Public School teachers w/just a BA get $80K+ with a few years' seniority. So no surprise there.
Adjust professors are basically indentured servants.